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(04-27-2019, 05:56 PM)mc0134 Wrote: You have to realize there's only a small number of people working on the Cent Browser project probably on their own free time too with limited resources as compared to Google Chrome / Chromium.
Cent development vs Chromium development is a false equivalence. Cent development is adding or tweaking a bunch of minor features to Chromium, not actively developing the actual browser itself. Occasionally Cent adds new little features or improves existing ones, but for the most part, all the existing tweaks that Cent makes to Chromium will be automated in build scripts. That's not to minimize the amount of work it takes to maintain all those tweaks, because every Chromium update has the potential to break things, and adjustments may need to be made, but the majority should be able to be incorporated from build to build pretty painlessly. You need a fairly powerful computer, the more RAM and CPU threads, the better. With a good one, you should be able to build in under an hour.
As far as there being "only a small number of people working on the Cent", I don't really know a whole lot about the team. Their "about" page is three sentences which basically say "we make a browser". All I know is what I've gathered from browsing the forum, which is that they're Chinese, and they're actively involved in the community, which is more than you can say for most devs. I'd like to know more, but that's good enough, I suppose.
As for them "working on a project on their own free time with limited resources", whether or not that's accurate, it wouldn't exactly be unique. The majority of open source software you use is maintained under similar circumstances. I'm sure many of us contribute to projects in our spare time, that's how the internet works.
Most of us contribute to Cent in a minor way, just by being involved in the forum and providing feedback. This helps development, not only in providing bug reports, but user engagement helps keep devs engaged. What isn't helpful is the extremes all major issues seem to devolve into. If you read my comment, it basically says "you said a few days a couple weeks ago, so what's the holdup?". That's a reasonable question, so there's no reason you need to be making excuses for them, or telling me we should "be grateful for what we get". Users in this forum are constantly making irrational demands, so if you wanna read them the riot act, feel free, but don't respond to legitimate questions in the same way.
We're all here because we like Cent, so of course we appreciate all the effort which goes into it. If they tell us why there are certain delays in development, we understand. Otherwise, when days turn into weeks, users will ask why. Browsers aren't your typical projects, where updates are mostly added features and minor bug fixes. Browsers require constant security updates, and sometimes seriously annoying bug fixes. That's something that you know when you sign up for maintaining a fork of Chromium. You either stay on top of that cycle, or you fade away like so many others have. I'm not talking about an unreasonable time frame, but once you start lagging behind two full versions, that's a bad sign, and cause for concern.
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(04-27-2019, 09:53 PM)papadoc Wrote: If they tell us why there are certain delays in development, we understand. Otherwise, when days turn into weeks, users will ask why.
This. This this this. This is my main problem. There's constant delays and no word on them going, "Hey something came up." It doesn't need to be much, just TELL US there's a delay!
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(04-27-2019, 09:53 PM)papadoc Wrote: I'd like to know more, but that's good enough, I suppose. Interview with the creator of Cent Browser (auto translate to english):
https://translate.google.ru/translate?hl...browser%2F
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I believe that delays in the release of new versions are valid. Even like now. But this is just my opinion. I support the developers completely, and I don’t want to rush them. Because developers should have a comfortable environment. If developers need more time to release a release, let it be. If the developers decide to skip the version of the engine, let it be.
@ Developers, just tell us that you have problems and need time, we will understand and support you.
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(04-27-2019, 09:53 PM)papadoc Wrote: Cent development vs Chromium development is a false equivalence. Cent development is adding or tweaking a bunch of minor features to Chromium, not actively developing the actual browser itself. Occasionally Cent adds new little features or improves existing ones, but for the most part, all the existing tweaks that Cent makes to Chromium will be automated in build scripts. That's not to minimize the amount of work it takes to maintain all those tweaks, because every Chromium update has the potential to break things, and adjustments may need to be made, but the majority should be able to be incorporated from build to build pretty painlessly. You need a fairly powerful computer, the more RAM and CPU threads, the better. With a good one, you should be able to build in under an hour.
As far as there being "only a small number of people working on the Cent", I don't really know a whole lot about the team. Their "about" page is three sentences which basically say "we make a browser". All I know is what I've gathered from browsing the forum, which is that they're Chinese, and they're actively involved in the community, which is more than you can say for most devs. I'd like to know more, but that's good enough, I suppose.
As for them "working on a project on their own free time with limited resources", whether or not that's accurate, it wouldn't exactly be unique. The majority of open source software you use is maintained under similar circumstances. I'm sure many of us contribute to projects in our spare time, that's how the internet works.
Most of us contribute to Cent in a minor way, just by being involved in the forum and providing feedback. This helps development, not only in providing bug reports, but user engagement helps keep devs engaged. What isn't helpful is the extremes all major issues seem to devolve into. If you read my comment, it basically says "you said a few days a couple weeks ago, so what's the holdup?". That's a reasonable question, so there's no reason you need to be making excuses for them, or telling me we should "be grateful for what we get". Users in this forum are constantly making irrational demands, so if you wanna read them the riot act, feel free, but don't respond to legitimate questions in the same way.
We're all here because we like Cent, so of course we appreciate all the effort which goes into it. If they tell us why there are certain delays in development, we understand. Otherwise, when days turn into weeks, users will ask why. Browsers aren't your typical projects, where updates are mostly added features and minor bug fixes. Browsers require constant security updates, and sometimes seriously annoying bug fixes. That's something that you know when you sign up for maintaining a fork of Chromium. You either stay on top of that cycle, or you fade away like so many others have. I'm not talking about an unreasonable time frame, but once you start lagging behind two full versions, that's a bad sign, and cause for concern.
Upgrading Chromium core is sometimes difficult.
Many features may be broken in new Chromium version, and need to be refactored.
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04-28-2019, 05:20 PM
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papadoc. Nobody has to nothing to you and is obliged by nothing. Perceive a situation such what it is. It is not pleasant pass to Chrome, Firefox.
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I don't doubt that at all, but that's pretty vague. If the project were open source, we'd have a better understanding of what particular challenges you're facing from version to version. Since it's not, we're just looking for any explanations you can provide when things take longer than expected. More often than not, there's just long delays with no explanation. Maybe consider adding an alpha channel with a brief description of known issues. We'd get an idea of what issues you're tackling, and have a better appreciation for the process.
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Literally all we want is for you guys to TELL US that there's delays.
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ChromiumIQ. Do you feel like the Cent devs need some white knight to defend them? I'm politely making reasonable requests, not irrational demands.
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(04-28-2019, 05:48 PM)papadoc Wrote: ChromiumIQ. Do you feel like the Cent devs need some white knight to defend them? I'm politely making reasonable requests, not irrational demands.
3. How often do you release updates?
As a small team, we have no strict releasing cycle.
What is unclear? There is no schedule of a release of versions. It is not necessary to stick to developers with a question: When will the new version appear?. Such situation is not pleasant, you pass to other browser where there is a schedule, it is pleasant, then have patience and wait.
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(04-28-2019, 09:26 PM)ChromiumIQ Wrote: 3. How often do you release updates?
As a small team, we have no strict releasing cycle.
What is unclear? There is no schedule of a release of versions. It is not necessary to stick to developers with a question: When will the new version appear?. Such situation is not pleasant, you pass to other browser where there is a schedule, it is pleasant, then have patience and wait.
They're the ones who said "in a few days." Two weeks is not a few days, bruh. Asking what's going on is not unreasonable. Quit being a white knight.
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